Explorers

[tpking]

I'm going to buy a explorer in the 91 - 94 range I would love for it to be the 5speed version. I have never owned one but have owned numerous rangers / f150s .. What are some things to check for / watch out for

I want to build it to be just a good dependable " All terrain " vehicle for easy - to very mild trails... Not into rock crawling or mud bogging..

It will have 33x12.50 tires .. not bigger no smaller


What mods and improvements would need to be done or just help for my goals? It also needs to be capable in snow

 

[wildbill23c]

I'd stick with an older model with the solid front axle to avoid that independent front suspension crap. Also try and get a hold of one that still has the manual lock in hubs and manual transfer case. Seems like the electronics & vacuum system can be problematic in them. Best thing to do is look and shop around there are good ones out there just have to find them. The ones I see around where I live have already been beat to crap and the seller still wants to make tons of money on them and they're not worth anything at that point. Just check everything over and test drive it thoroughly, if the owner won't let you test drive it walk away.

 

[Twister]

I'd stick with an older model with the solid front axle to avoid that independent front suspension crap. Also try and get a hold of one that still has the manual lock in hubs and manual transfer case. Seems like the electronics & vacuum system can be problematic in them. Best thing to do is look and shop around there are good ones out there just have to find them. The ones I see around where I live have already been beat to crap and the seller still wants to make tons of money on them and they're not worth anything at that point. Just check everything over and test drive it thoroughly, if the owner won't let you test drive it walk away.

All explorers have independent front suspension, the 91-94 have the ttb front end, don't know about 2nd Gen, but I do know it is difficult to lift a 95.

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[wildbill23c]

Ok, so when the explorer first came out it had a solid axle correct? Or were all of them TTB's? I could have sworn the first generation models all had like a Dana 35 in them.

I'd rather stick with the TTB than the actual new generation IFS crap which seems pretty weak to me. My parents had a 95 and it was a pile of crap, course I don't think my step-dad helped it any, I know the 4WD in it was worthless as the system never did work like it was supposed to, it kind of worked whenever it felt like it sometimes would even engage when it was in 2WD mode.

 

[Twister]

Ok, so when the explorer first came out it had a solid axle correct? Or were all of them TTB's? I could have sworn the first generation models all had like a Dana 35 in them.

I'd rather stick with the TTB than the actual new generation IFS crap which seems pretty weak to me. My parents had a 95 and it was a pile of crap, course I don't think my step-dad helped it any, I know the 4WD in it was worthless as the system never did work like it was supposed to, it kind of worked whenever it felt like it sometimes would even engage when it was in 2WD mode.

All explorers had a type of IFS.

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[tpking]

heres the plan so far

5speed ( either swapped or stock ) depends on what i can find
Manual transfer case .. again will swap one in if i can find one with it stock
Manual hub
4inch suspension lift OR 3 inch body depends on costs
33inch tires
Air or E locker for the rear
swap in 95+ 8.8 rear with disc brakes

What gears would you run stock 3.73 or go up to 4.10

What is the best / cheapest route to go for lift

This wont be a hardcore off road machine. Just something that is very capable in snow. Something that i can cruise the mountains with and not be hating it.. About the roughest terrain I will take it on is rutted up logging roads .... Got any advice or see anything on my list you wouldn't do?

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

I run 4.10 with 31" tires.

Richard

 

[509lifted]

you would be hard pressed to find a expo with 3:73's most came with 3:27's and the 5 speed was rare i believe, don't do body lift do a suspension, just go full time locker, saves you money since air and e lockers break down more so. and wildbill no expo ever came with sfa the 91-94 had ttb and 95+ has ifs i believe.

 

[tpking]

you would be hard pressed to find a expo with 3:73's most came with 3:27's and the 5 speed was rare i believe, don't do body lift do a suspension, just go full time locker, saves you money since air and e lockers break down more so. and wildbill no expo ever came with sfa the 91-94 had ttb and 95+ has ifs i believe.

I know the 5 speed is rare ill swap it in if it come to that, the only reason i dont want to go to full time locker it will be driven daily on the road

 

[martin]

I have a first gen explorer with 3:73's and run 33 x 12.5 tyres. It's fine, but might be better with 4:11 or 4:56. It has the factory lsd with the extra clutch in the pack (mod is in the tech library), it works well on the roads and is ok on the trails as long as you keep both rear wheels on the ground. I would recommend a good 2" receiver on each end, you'll need a good tow point when it gets stuck (when mine gets stuck it really gets stuck) 5 - 6 inch lift is the easiest range to work with due to the rear axle flip, you will have to address the steering though or it will drive like crap.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ok, so when the explorer first came out it had a solid axle correct? Or were all of them TTB's? I could have sworn the first generation models all had like a Dana 35 in them.

They did have the D35... but it was a TTB just like what is in your BII but much stronger.

No RBV ever came from the factory with a solid front axle.

you would be hard pressed to find a expo with 3:73's most came with 3:27's and the 5 speed was rare i believe, don't do body lift do a suspension, just go full time locker, saves you money since air and e lockers break down more so. and wildbill no expo ever came with sfa the 91-94 had ttb and 95+ has ifs i believe.

5 speeds are more common on the low end older (91-94) Explorers. Lower gearing like 3.73's and 4.10's is more common on the later (95+) ones. More likely to be found on the higher end ones to make them feel snappier.

 

[IAmTodd]

3.73 gears were included with the towing pack, it's pretty common gearing with the Explorer (3.55 is probably the most common). You'll have a hard time finding one with a manual transfer case. Easy to swap out but with a new shift motor is just as reliable as the lever. Switch out to manual hubs is easy and advisable.

Biggest thing would be body rust. The rockers rust out, rear wheel arches as well and definitely around the fuel filler cap. Shackles are also getting on and should be inspected but I assume you'd replace for the lift. If you can't find a manual, ones with blow autos are cheap and easy to find. The manual swap is easy and can be done for under $1k as you seem to be rather mechanically inclined.

 

[wildbill23c]

Guess the explorers I've seen have been modified by their owners a bit then, I've seen several running around with true solid axles. The TTB system doesn't seem too bad compared to the completely IFS systems in use in most vehicles today that the first time you hit a pothole wrong the front end is out of alignment.

 

[jkufen]

hey buddy i just bought a 1999 Explorer 4x4 5 speed and I paid about $500. It needs some work but will run and drive and the 4wd works. It has an electric engaging t-case. I used the 4wd to get it up on my trailer and it didn't have any problems. I joined another explorer forum called explorerforum.com and they have helped a lot with many of my questions. As far as lifting it without modifications. I believe you can get as much as 5.5" of lift before you have to change anything like lengthening or other modifications. Now those modifications are lifting the torsion bars in the front 2-2.5" and then match the back with a set of warrior shackles which will lift the rear 1.75". Then add a 3 inch body lift.

I am not sure with yours because it is a 1 gen explorer and mine is a 2nd gen explorer so i do have the IFS. The suspension lift kits for mine run about $1500+ for a complete kit so that is why I am going with a $180 3" body lift. I am going the same route as you. With a mild lift and some 33" all terrains. Mine probably won't ever seen trails. Mine is going to be more for pulling my B2 around to the different ORV parks in my area.

The only thing I have heard so far that can be an issue if you find a factory 5 speed is there are 3 rubber plugs in the top end of the transmission. These plugs are known to rot and come out and all the fluid spew out while in operation. Then you cook the trans and you know what kind of headache a trans rebuild can be. They sell a kit that has metal plugs that replace the rubber ones and you can avoid a huge headache.

I don't really know too much about the explorers yet but the tech library on the other site has a lot of information and many of the members here know a lot themselves. Good luck with the search! :icon_thumby:

 

[IAmTodd]

Guess the explorers I've seen have been modified by their owners a bit then, I've seen several running around with true solid axles. The TTB system doesn't seem too bad compared to the completely IFS systems in use in most vehicles today that the first time you hit a pothole wrong the front end is out of alignment.

I've done well over 100k combined miles in a '95 Sport and an '00 XLT and the front end is still pretty stout. For a street/mild offroad truck you'll do just fine. If you can do without low range the 5.0 V8 is the way to go. My 2000 truck never skipped a beat.

 

[509lifted]

iamtodd he is going 91-94 which is totally different than your's you have a torsion set up he will be having ttb, all he needs for lift is a spring over kit, springs,shocks, steering, and maybe radius arms. i would piece together a lift cause it would probably be better than any one kit that you buy. and as jkufen said lifts for ifs run about 1500-2k depending on where you buy, a lift for a ttb for a cheap lift runs about 500 and if you piece one together using all the good parts out of different lifts you could have a great lift for 500 or so depending on how much you could find used parts for. and tpking there are quite a few ppl on here that dd and have full time lockers and say that it is just fine for on road use. Oh and i got lucky enough to get a 92 eddie buaer expo with manual hubs,5speed, and electronic transfer case but the only thing i hate is i have the dreaded 3:27 gears, as for wanting 33's i would go 4:10's and if you want it to be great in snow get a set of 33/10.5/15 duratracts. sorry if i went on to long without using proper punctuation

 

[509lifted]

oh and as martin said go with 5-6 because when you put the leaf spring on top of the axle you gain 5-6 inches

 

[IAmTodd]

iamtodd he is going 91-94 which is totally different than your's you have a torsion set up he will be having ttb,

I understand. Just stating that the IFS isn't as bad as it's being made out to be in this thread.

BTW- Shift key is to the left of the 'z' key and '/'.

 

[509lifted]

ifs was not being made out to be bad it was being made out that it is expensive and hard to lift and that it is alot more tempermental than ttb front ends and i really could care less where the shift key was im not here to type like i am in a computer class.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The TTB system doesn't seem too bad compared to the completely IFS systems in use in most vehicles today that the first time you hit a pothole wrong the front end is out of alignment.

Actually the new ones can align themselves so unless you REALLY screw something up you can't knock it out of alignment. :icon_thumby:

If you can do without low range the 5.0 V8 is the way to go. My 2000 truck never skipped a beat.

A fullsize t-case can cure that problem. :icon_thumby:

and as jkufen said lifts for ifs run about 1500-2k depending on where you buy, a lift for a ttb for a cheap lift runs about 500

And a cheap TTB lift is a cheap TTB lift, a good one will run a lot more. Cheap ones like to pound holes in differential housings (which makes them not really very cheap) Mixing and matching... depends on how many people you can find that want to sell the best parts of the kits that they have and how they have been treated.

For an all out brawler TTB (or solid) is the way to go, they will outflex the 96-01's hands down. One problem with Explorers is the wider frame of really makes a bodylift stick out, won't really hurt anything it just looks odd (IMO). I am not that up on Explorers about tire fitment but a free (+ alignment) t-bar crank on a 96-01 may get you in the neighborhood to fit 33's on its own.