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plans went to crap and back with all my work lately...
however.. this is what I have finished so far.

shocks are mounted, took a little more work b/c the bottom stud on the explorer arms are to big, I used the b2 shock mounts with a bolt in the bottom that fit.

c-clip elim is finished, shafts are in, built all the way out to the hubs, rotors, calipers, pads on... all that good stuff.

I'm still not happy with the coils, they are kinda curved... I might try stretching the arms out some more.... but I'm gonna wait till the steering is on to make sure I have no interference from that. Might have to modify the upper coil bucket, but that'll have to wait...

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How's the caster angle? Looks to be negative in the last picture.

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Looks good.

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alright.. so the springs settled, A LOT. I'm looking into going to EB coils are something in the 230-280 PPI range.
other than finding new coils, it's done. I'll probably revise my brake lines also.


also... using the method Legoms taught me and the way these coils compressed.. I know how much weight I have on the coils.

basically the coils are 22" free length and 150 ppi.. with the weight on there they are 13" compressed. therefore, do the math of (22-13)x150=1350lbs but the leverage effect of the TTB axles is 1.5 instead of the Solid Axle 1 so you must divide that by number by 1.5... 1350/1.5= 900 lbs. of course Legoms (an engineering guy) went into a lot more detail. Here's his quote,

It is pretty simple, see if all my school is about to pay off:

The equation for a spring (specifically a linear coil spring) is: F = -kx

This is commonly referred to Hooke's Law.

F is the force (in Newtons, or Pounds: N or Lbs)

K is the spring constant, in Newtons per meter, or Lbs per foot: N/m or Lb/in.

Typically we offroaders refer to a springs K property as the PPI rating of a specific springs. For example, my Skyjacker springs are 415PPI (pounds-per-inch), or more accurately, 415 Lbs/in.

Basically what this means is that in order to compress the spring 1", it takes 415lbs of force to do so (neglecting the 1:1.5 lift ratio of the TTB beams b/c of where the coil sits on the beam in relation to the pivot point and the distance to where the weight is applied at the wheels).

The beauty of the above equation is this. If you know any two of the 3 variables, you can find the missing one. And most of the time you will know the K value, so that means you only need one other property, either the force or the X.

X is the distance the spring has been compressed or stretched, in Meters or Inches. Expressed as Delta X, or the change in spring length between free length and compressed length.

The negative value out front of the K is there to indicate that the spring always WANTS to return to its free length. Compression is positive X values, and extension is negative (for trucks you won't need to know the second statement since we are only interested in finding the compressed length).

So, as an example, using my springs:

I know several things.

The free length of my spring: 21"

The compressed length as it sits in the vehicle at static ride height: 17"

The PPI or K value: 415Lbs/in.

This means I can easily solve and find out how much my truck weighs at each wheel (times two to get total nose weight at front tires).

Original equation:

F = -KX --------> Assume compression is the positive direction, and drop the neg. value out front eliminate places to mess up.

Sub in my known numbers:

F = (415lbs/in)(21in-17in)

F = (415lbs/in)(4in)

F = (1660lbs) <------Notice how the "in" units canceled out (in/in = 1)

That's the force at one coil (if I was SAS)...but since this is TTB we are interested in, it gets even better:

The TTB suspension has (roughly) a 1:1.5 lift ratio, meaning that it takes a stiffer coil on TTB than on a SAS rig to accomplish the same thing. Meaning, if I was SAS and wanted a coil that acted, and road exactly like my current coils do, I would need a linear coil with a rating of around ~280lbs/in...this would guarantee that the ride I perceive sitting in the driver's seat would be exactly the same with both types of suspension.

415lbs/in / 1.5 = 276.67lbs/in just like I said above.

To get the true weight at the wheels (for TTB) you would need to take the 1660lbs calculated from above and divide it by 1.5:

1660lbs / 1.5 = 1106.67 lbs at each wheel. Meaning between both tires, my front end on my truck weighs ~2213 lbs (1106.67 x 2).

Keep this in mind.

Now if I wanted to calculate how much my truck would compress a coil of 190 lbs/in (K value of EB deaver superflex coils) I would do the following for each coil:

True weight at one coil (leverage effect of beams): 1106.67 lbs

1106.67lbs = 190lbs/inX

Now solve for X. Divide both sides by 190lbs/in to isolate the wanted variable to its lonesome.

1106.67lbs / 190lbs/in = X

5.82458in = X <------------Notice the "lbs" units canceled out (lbs/lbs = 1) leaving you with inches, the correct unit for the change in spring length.

So If I were to run the above mention coils, each one is going to sag ~5.8in with the weight of my pickup on them.

For SAS rigs, you neglect the 1:1.5 ratio step. But for TTB rigs you will need to multiply or divide to get certain values.

As you can see, you can solve for whatever you need, as long as you have 2 pieces of the 3 for the puzzle...

How'd I do? Did anybody follow any of that :icon_confused:
 

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TTB has to much math. Thank god I went SAS, simple and straight to the point.

So what is wrong with your brake lines?

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TTB has to much math. Thank god I went SAS, simple and straight to the point.

So what is wrong with your brake lines?

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Nothing is wrong with them... Just gonna add in another flex line where there is a hardline right now.
 

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alright.. ain't updated this much..

I went with Superlift 3.5" coils for an EB... they are still a tad short tho... Might find some 5.5's and see what happens (later, don't have time before my SMORR trip). Thanks for the coils Maverick.

alignment, check. Found a guy that can do TTB alignments like they are nothing, had it done in less than an hour (including the time it took to get the paint off the camber bushing clips, oops....lol).

a front wheel drive, aussie locked, unaligned ttb truck gets mad quick when trying to drive it! lol. I had the rear shaft out since I dolly'ed it to Firestone... I ended up unlocking one hub and just driving in with one hub locked, still didn't turn to good.

The front end alignment is PERFECT.. I couldn't be happier.

next comes one hole drilled and bolt added and put the e-brake hardware in, then I'm off to SMORR to ride, check it out... see what I did right and see what I did wrong! lol.

I leave Friday morning... I CAN'T FREAKIN' WAIT!!
 

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Pics or GTFO! Lol I'd like to see how you attached the EB coils.
 

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I'll get pics this evening.

pretty much I made a plate that was the right diameter, with a little curly Q in the middle that fit the coil perfectly.. then I welded that to the little "cupped" washer thing that came on the truck at the bottom of the coil, that added the extra height I needed to clear the ball joints.
 

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forgot to get pics... I've been busy working, school, packing, finishing up for my trip to SMORR...

it's loaded now, leaving about 9 in the morning
 

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alright so I had some crappy luck with this weekends ride at SMORR. We left friday morning about 8am took it slow and headed towards SMORR. The ride up there went fine, the 04 f150 did great for a gasser, even in the mountains.. Had to keep speed up at the base of the hills and ride 3000 rpms but it did just fine. Ended up getting 11 MPGs, which was good IMO towing.

Well we get to SMORR and set up camp, eat lunch, and unload everything. 20 minutes in to my first trail, the fuel system decides to give up and not do anything. After being drug back to camp by a JK I found out neither fuel pump has power or works when straight wired to a battery. Something happened, I played with it a few hours then said screw it and just rode with other people all weekend.

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this was getting ready to leave

on the way home


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If you ever get the chance to go to SMORR, do it.. the park is awesome. Brandon (owner) is a super great guy and runs a fine place. The bathhouse is the cleanest you'll find at an offroad park. There are trails for stock rigs to full built buggys. I had a blast.

Now to find the issue with my fuel system. I think I might upgrade to a single pump setup like the explorers use instead of the B2 dual pump crap.
 

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are you sure i wasnt there? that sounds like some of my luck...sorry to hear, that sucks
 

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are you sure i wasnt there? that sounds like some of my luck...sorry to hear, that sucks
lol yeah.. My dad found the issue today.
it seems that when I put on the f250 shock towers, I had a wiring harness pushed over just enough it caught the steering colums... well turning ripped some wires out a pigtail.... that solves the wiring issue.. now to solve why the pumps don't work even when "hotwired" to the battery.
 

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been trying to mark some other stuff off the list. I still forgot to get pics of the coil spring buckets I made... crap.

added some progressive rate James duff 5.5" EB coils, hopefully they'll settle just a hair. My rear has 5.5" lift over stock. right now the 5.5" coils sit the front a little higher than the rear. closer to 6-6.5" of lift. Hopefully it'll align, I might have to move the axle down in the VMS bracket and get a non-RC bracket for the driver side that has the 6" hole in it also.



other things marked off the list is: wiring loom on certain places, slack found and fixed on pinion, and a few small things.
 

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You say you had wiring damage. Are the pump grounds intact?
 

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Everything is fine now on the wiring. Truck runs great again.
 

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Yeah... It has the pee-pee dance going on


I think I need 6" lift brackets and then I need to modify my superrunner steering. I ended up with a little more lift then my original plan but it sits level this way. I like the stance.
 

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Good Lord, how you going to fix that?!?



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