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if the fasteners are workable, its a 3 hour deal to change the rear main. tranny is real light.


if it has a nasty or messed up quick coupler at the slave....shit gets irritating.

sometimes its worth trying to snake the master out and down....but then you have to be real careful not to fawk it up.

if your quick coupler pops right apart your golden....probably wont even have to bleed it. make sure you buy the little tool to pop it apart....worth it.


most clutch kits come with the little tool.
 


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I know the quick disconnect piece worked a month ago when the transmission was removed due to the flywheel bolts coming lose thanks to the previous owner's son screwing around with stuff. I knew I should have got that rear main seal then, but at that time it wasn't leaking, but of course after you tear stuff apart and get everything back together is when something else will fail in that area of course.
 

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Well I figured I would upload some pictures of the work I have been doing on my "POS" B2 and so far it has taken me 2 days just to do the radius arm drop
and when I went to bolt up the brackets it sucked the frame out about 1" on each side so I guess my frame is bent as some of the bolt holes dont even come close to matching up so who knows? And then theres the big chunk cut out of the drivers side frame from the guy I got it from and I'm woundering if that has somthing to do with it ? O well I'm trying lol ! Sorry that my rig looks like a pile of shit because thats what it is lol !:sad:
 

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Your rig looks a lot better than mine as far as the body. My passenger side is rusted to hell. Not to mention the interior is gutted. All of this thanks to the previous owner's complete lack of mechanical knowledge, cleaning, and maintenance.
 

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Thanks lol ! well i agree with you that some people have no clue when it comes to vehicals and should not be allowed to owen one (sorry bad spelling)
letalone be near one , Including the wounderful "Bronco 2" lol !
 

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I agree, I have a huge list of repairs I had to have done, or have done to my B2 because of the previous owner's lack of mechanical skills, I'm finding more and more all the time. Everytime I find one of their "fixes" I want to drive the 45 miles and beat them over the head. My B2 has 2 wiring harnesses in it even, half of one is connected and half the other one is connected to stuff this thing is a mess. If I had the parts and the knowledge to do a duraspark conversion I'd do it just to get rid of the whole wiring nightmare.

I will be on my 3rd starter solenoid in this thing next week after payday as it just blew this afternoon, luckily at home, so if I hook up the positive battery cable it starts turning over the engine, it won't start that way as the key isn't on, but still, that's number 3 in the past 2 months, and just replaced it about 2-3 weeks ago. This is getting pretty old very fast, can't pinpoint why it keeps blowing.
 

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You need a Duraspark distributor, and HEI module and some wire and connectors. That is all that is needed . . other than a carb.
 

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You need a Duraspark distributor, and HEI module and some wire and connectors. That is all that is needed . . other than a carb.
Yeah the carb is the huge problem. Without going new I'm SOL.
 

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find a 1.08 2100 Autolite carb used. They are real easy to rebuild and you can install a main jet at the same time. You might have $50 into the entire carb deal.
 

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Yeah I know, trying to find one is the problem LOL. Doesn't do much good though if this thing keeps blowing through Starter Solenoids every couple weeks though.
 

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I tell you what - I have the dura spark in mine and I hate it! It's been the biggest pyle of shit that I have ever seen and want to do away with it and go to the MSD off-road ignition system . It may cost quite a bit more money but in the long run will be a much better setup with alot less problems, Now it's just coming up with the $300 for the system lol!
 

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Hey wildbill , You might want to check that your starter is not dragging causing your solenoid to burn up because a dragging starter will do that or if its drawing to big of a load? Thought this might help?
 
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since the trans was recently out the rear main should be a cake walk. thats a good positive...:icon_thumby:



I agree, I have a huge list of repairs I had to have done, or have done to my B2 because of the previous owner's lack of mechanical skills, I'm finding more and more all the time. Everytime I find one of their "fixes" I want to drive the 45 miles and beat them over the head. My B2 has 2 wiring harnesses in it even, half of one is connected and half the other one is connected to stuff this thing is a mess. If I had the parts and the knowledge to do a duraspark conversion I'd do it just to get rid of the whole wiring nightmare.

I will be on my 3rd starter solenoid in this thing next week after payday as it just blew this afternoon, luckily at home, so if I hook up the positive battery cable it starts turning over the engine, it won't start that way as the key isn't on, but still, that's number 3 in the past 2 months, and just replaced it about 2-3 weeks ago. This is getting pretty old very fast, can't pinpoint why it keeps blowing.



sounds like you just been getting shitty solenoids for the starter, or maybe the starter has a fault and is drawing more then normal.

this would prompt me to buy a plow solenoid for 10-15 bux and hook up another wire setup to the nightmare to run the starter....a sub system on a momentary switch to start it from now on.


of course...i would have threw the 2.8 in a dumpster and put a 4.0 in it as well...adding even more wiring to the mess.....i can buy 4.0's here for 150-400 bux all day, so the odds of me ever spending money to work on a 2.8 are literally nil. i dont know why anybody would use one.....hell intermountain auto recycling out there in idaho has a pile of them with 140-180k for 275 bux. i would buy two or three of those before i rebuilt or even simply put heads on any old rbv engine... but thats me.



thats how shit gets to look bad too....just dealing with things to stay on the road. if you know what you have its not a problem. i have absolutely no problem overlaying two systems to get what i want. if you looked at either the b2 or my ranger you would be pissed. but reliable is not an issue...i have mechanical issues based on hi milage and abuse....but thats replacing parts as needed.
 

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How do you check for a dragging starter? The starter is 2 weeks old as well as the solenoid that just went out.
 

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since the trans was recently out the rear main should be a cake walk. thats a good positive...:icon_thumby:


sounds like you just been getting shitty solenoids for the starter, or maybe the starter has a fault and is drawing more then normal.

this would prompt me to buy a plow solenoid for 10-15 bux and hook up another wire setup to the nightmare to run the starter....a sub system on a momentary switch to start it from now on.


of course...i would have threw the 2.8 in a dumpster and put a 4.0 in it as well...adding even more wiring to the mess.....i can buy 4.0's here for 150-400 bux all day, so the odds of me ever spending money to work on a 2.8 are literally nil. i dont know why anybody would use one.....hell intermountain auto recycling out there in idaho has a pile of them with 140-180k for 275 bux. i would buy two or three of those before i rebuilt or even simply put heads on any old rbv engine... but thats me.

thats how shit gets to look bad too....just dealing with things to stay on the road. if you know what you have its not a problem. i have absolutely no problem overlaying two systems to get what i want. if you looked at either the b2 or my ranger you would be pissed. but reliable is not an issue...i have mechanical issues based on hi milage and abuse....but thats replacing parts as needed.

I've never had an issue with the actual engine itself, I had an 84 Ranger that was given to me by my grandparents with the 2.8L engine and it did an awesome job pulling a 16' travel trailer all over the country. Its not the engine its the Ford computer BS they tried to put in them that's caused so many to go to the scrap pile. If I had the funds, and the ability I'd do an engine swap but it wouldn't be a POS 4.0L engine, it would be a 302 swap, or if I could figure out how to do it, a 460 swap.

The solenoid issue I hope has been fixed, I found a bare wire for the ignition switch this morning so I replaced that, then broke the new solenoid when I started installing it. So I took in both solenoids got a refund on those and bought the Duralast Gold solenoid which has a 3 year warranty instead of 1 year. Hopefully the bare wire repair fixes that problem. Then it will be on to the rear main seal which sounds pretty simple really, just extremely time consuming from what I can gather. Yeah, transmission was out of it about a month - month and a half ago so it wouldn't be too bad I don't think. I guess on another bright side note is the whole underside of the bronco 2 is well lubricated to keep the rust at bay LOL.
 
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Lol ! Thats one good way of thinking about it . And I hope your solenoid problem is fixed and as far as putting a 460 in a B2 I would not waste the time or money and also the fact that it won't fit as I've thought about it , But you can fit a 390 so it's just a thought.
 

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Lol ! Thats one good way of thinking about it . And I hope your solenoid problem is fixed and as far as putting a 460 in a B2 I would not waste the time or money and also the fact that it won't fit as I've thought about it , But you can fit a 390 so it's just a thought.
Hehe...I hope the problem is fixed too, I know a 460 wouldn't fit, but it would be one hell of a Bronco 2 with a 460 under well it wouldn't fit under the hood LOL, tons of modifications would definitely have to be made not worth the time, effort, or money, and definitely wouldn't be efficient.

I'd do a 4.0 or a 302 swap before anything, I just don't want a 4.0 because it would mean more electronic mess and more unnecessary wiring.

I kind of like to keep my vehicles completely stock that's why there isn't going to be an engine swap it would defeat the purpose of having a small SUV. I have a full size 380+hp truck if I want power, I got the bronco 2 for a run around town and hills truck not a race car. The fact that people have put 4.0's into their Bronco 2's and don't get any better gas mileage tells me its not worth my time or effort, and considering the one vehicle I drove that had a 4.0L had more valve train noise after $1200 in valve train repairs than my 84 B2 with the 2.8L 30 year old engine has, I definitely wouldn't waste my time with one. I like mine how it is, well ok, except for the cosmetics LOL.

I did drive it around quite a bit today, and other than the stupid oil leak from the rear main seal its doing pretty well considering it don't have an operational choke at all LOL.

Sure glad to have this TRS forum, its got me though a lot of issues with this B2 so far and is the best resource I've been able to find, I threw the Haynes manual in the trash, it don't come close to the knowledge on this site.

Thanks everyone as always. :headbang:
 
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460 will fit.


why wouldnt it?:icon_confused: hell if a 5.4 fits and looks good a ol fashined 4bbl 460 would be easy.


of course there quite a few big blocks where i am from....mostly 454 though. takes some modifications and fenderwell headers but that is not really too difficult...i am talking a stock 460 from say a 79 2wd camper special or up...on a 2wd sla chassis a 454 fits with no steering or suspension modifications at all. so i dont know why you would think a 460 wont fit.



the sick thing is i have lifetime brakes for these and starter at autozone for 5.0...and alternater and a few other things from the 90's no one else can get. 3 year warranty is pretty good though.


i would run a decent 4.0 over a vic 302 anyday on a driver b2. 4.0 is perfect for the b2.

you drive my b2 then drive yours and you would see what i am saying....match made in heaven. except the busted body would scare you a bit.


a bare wire is a happy fix....cool deal there.:icon_thumby::icon_thumby:
 

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460 will fit.


why wouldnt it?:icon_confused: hell if a 5.4 fits and looks good a ol fashined 4bbl 460 would be easy.


of course there quite a few big blocks where i am from....mostly 454 though. takes some modifications and fenderwell headers but that is not really too difficult...i am talking a stock 460 from say a 79 2wd camper special or up...on a 2wd sla chassis a 454 fits with no steering or suspension modifications at all. so i dont know why you would think a 460 wont fit.



the sick thing is i have lifetime brakes for these and starter at autozone for 5.0...and alternater and a few other things from the 90's no one else can get. 3 year warranty is pretty good though.


i would run a decent 4.0 over a vic 302 anyday on a driver b2. 4.0 is perfect for the b2.

you drive my b2 then drive yours and you would see what i am saying....match made in heaven. except the busted body would scare you a bit.


a bare wire is a happy fix....cool deal there.:icon_thumby::icon_thumby:
So are you running a 4.0L in your b2? If so is the mileage with it better or worse than the 2.8L or 2.9L? I've heard the 4.0's are actually worse. I know the 93 ranger would be lucky to get 18mpg on the highway, I would usually get around 21 in my 84 ranger with the 2.8L. I just don't want to deal with any computer crap, I'm trying to get rid of it in my B2, and putting a 4.0L adds more computer crap that's one reason I won't go there with an engine swap.

I'm sure with some body modifications you can put any engine/transmission in you want, its all about how much money you have to waste, me I don't have any so my vehicles stay as close to stock as I can get them. You start modifying things and unless you have an endless supply of money to deal with the constant problems that non-oem engines/components will have it would surly empty my pockets faster than my income comes in.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have a different engine, but if I do it will be 100% non-computerized crap, the feedback junk was bad enough. Did I mention I hate computerization in vehicles?
 
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So are you running a 4.0L in your b2? If so is the mileage with it better or worse than the 2.8L or 2.9L? I've heard the 4.0's are actually worse. I know the 93 ranger would be lucky to get 18mpg on the highway, I would usually get around 21 in my 84 ranger with the 2.8L. I just don't want to deal with any computer crap, I'm trying to get rid of it in my B2, and putting a 4.0L adds more computer crap that's one reason I won't go there with an engine swap.

4.0 thats not optimal in tune at all, fm146 thats whooped...410 gears 33 in tires sas and spooled 9 in runs 13-15 avg. 15-16 hiway if i tune it 17-18 hiway pretty easy. in snows with 4x4 hiway 9-14 depending on conditions. the cost of tuning it may not be worth it if i did not have cash to spend.

its the b2 in this pic...used to be 351's




its pretty beat to hell to say the least.


way back when i had my 89 and 90 2.9 bronco 2's, bone stock with a4ld or 5 speeds they could pull 23 if conditions were fair... generally 17-18 plus though. a healthy 4.0 seems to linger in the teens but tuned make 20's in stock suspension and 31 or less tires no problem...and the power is notably appreciated. on paper it dont look like much, in reality its more then many imagine.(remember i am a v8 guy too)

the 2.8's sucked always. 12-14 town and 20 or so hiway on good days with manual transmissions.. as far as b2's are concerned only owned the one for a few months but worked on it and drove it when my friend bought it. back then in the late 80's-90's i would only consider a v8 swap...and it eventually got totalled before that happened. i hear guys claiming 25 mpg hiway and 18 plus town.:dunno:

my ranger never got out of teens with the 2.9 and a4ld... mileage fell sub 16 after 220k...so it got a fresh cobra engine back in 95. of couse my diesel in there now is nutless compared to a nice smallblock.



I just don't want to deal with any computer crap, I'm trying to get rid of it in my B2, and putting a 4.0L adds more computer crap that's one reason I won't go there with an engine swap.

I'm sure with some body modifications you can put any engine/transmission in you want, its all about how much money you have to waste, me I don't have any so my vehicles stay as close to stock as I can get them. You start modifying things and unless you have an endless supply of money to deal with the constant problems that non-oem engines/components will have it would surly empty my pockets faster than my income comes in.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have a different engine, but if I do it will be 100% non-computerized crap, the feedback junk was bad enough. Did I mention I hate computerization in vehicles?
if its running good, for sure leave it if you like it. i dont like the 2.8 or 2.9 as thier powerlevels are below what i find acceptable.. the 4.0 and 6.5 are acceptable and well matched to 33 in tires for me in the rbv. especially the b2.


body mods for the engine swaps i do are usually limited to bfh and bodylifts. nothing exotic:dunno:




but i am totally on the other side of this. i modify my shit to do what i need so i can rely on it for the long haul. i love efi gas engines. efi on the gas and diesels up to 06 or so is perfect for most of us. and very reliable. for 250k plus.

the idiots like me with ridiculous demands and not allot of cash to blow have to build our junk. i want a tool that will do anything.

my 6.5 cost me nothing but time as it came in a 1 ton van that was payment for working on a different vehicle. i used the van for a few years and eventually i stole that engine and put it in my ranger because 10-14 mpg sux. ranger is not stock and a 4.0 would get worse in that situation.

i dont have 400 bux into the initial swap. most guys could copy it for less then 9-1500 bux in swap costs doing their own labor. or they could spend 30grand i am sure. one guy pm,d me and insists i am a liar because there is no video of it running.....i have google earth pics of it in florida though:dunno:

i solved the problem of not being able to afford to drive my favorite vehicle for next to nothing... and many would argue i made it a unreliable pos the day i did it because of the engine i used... but well over 200k later its still clattering around. its costly to run it...the tires etc are very expensive, but daily fuel cost is offset with waste oils in the warmer months. the option of alternate fuels makes living with less then ideal power very much an even tradeoff. for now:D

most of the things i do is for the sole purpose of being able to deal with shit on the run, stepping up to a computer controlled trans for my setup was hard for me to do, i am surprised i dont have a ford aod in this thing. or a manual trans of some sort.

but all of the on the fly fixes do add up. and eventually i will have to rip it all out and clean it up again.

a modern 3.7 v6 or coyote 5.0 from a 150 in a decent b2 would be worth 5 grand to do a junkyard swap... i got the 3.7 figured to less then 2800.

the only reason i like the ls over those is packaging.

your fear of a efi mill has merit, but it is costing you as well.
 

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